Filed by Macrovision Corporation Pursuant to
Rule 425 under the Securities Act of 1933
and deemed filed pursuant to Rule 14a-12
under the Securities Exchange Act of 1934
Subject Companies:
Macrovision Corporation (Commission File No. 000-22023),
Gemstar-TV Guide International, Inc. (Commission File No. 0-24218), and
Macrovision
Solutions Corporation (Registration No. 333-148825).
On Thursday, February 21, 2008, Macrovision Corporation held its fourth
quarter 2007 earnings webcast and conference call with investors, a transcript of the call follows:
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CORPORATE PARTICIPANTS
James Budge
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Fred Amoroso
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
CONFERENCE CALL PARTICIPANTS
Mike Olson
Piper Jaffray - Analyst
Sasa Zorovic
Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Sterling Auty
JPMorgan - Analyst
Richard Davis
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Ralph Schackart
William Blair & Co. - Analyst
Brian Thackery
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
Alan Davis
D.A. Davidson & Co. - Analyst
Andy
Hargreaves
Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
April Horace
Janco Partners - Analyst
PRESENTATION
Operator
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, thank you for
standing by. Welcome to Macrovisions fourth quarter 2007 earnings release conference call. During todays presentations, all parties will be in a listen-only mode. Following the presentation, the conference will be open for questions.
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) This conference call is being recorded today, February 21, 2008. I would now like to turn the conference over to James Budge, CFO. Please go ahead, sir.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Thank you, and welcome, ladies and gentlemen, to Macrovisions fourth
quarter 2007 earnings conference call. Im James Budge, CFO of Macrovision. Im pleased to be joined today by Fred Amoroso, our CEO.
Before we
discuss our results and estimates released earlier today, I would like to start with some housekeeping items. First, I would like to remind you all statements made during our conference call that are not statements of historical fact, including but
not limited to statements regarding the Companys forecast of future revenues and earnings, business strategies, product plans and acquisition and divestiture plans, constitute forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor
provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.
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Actual results could vary materially from those contained in these forward-looking statements. Factors that could
cause actual results to differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements are described in our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2006, our most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q and other filings with the SEC that are
filed from time to time.
Second, our results and estimates released earlier today include non-GAAP information which exclude as applicable non-cash or
one-time items such as amortization of intangibles from acquisitions, asset impairment charges, equity-based compensation, and restructuring and other charges. Our results also include non-GAAP measures for revenues from businesses considered to be
discontinued operations for accounting purposes as of December 31, 2007.
We have presented this collective non-GAAP information because this is how
we report our business for our internal financial reporting and measurement. We believe this presentation may be meaningful to our investors in analyzing the results of operations in incoming cash generation for the Company. This presentation is not
intended to be a substitute for our financial results presented in conformity with the accounting principles generally accepted in the United States and investors and potential investors are encouraged to review the reconciliation of non-GAAP
financial measures included in our earnings release.
Third, Macrovisions Solutions Corporation has filed with the SEC a registration statement on
Form S-4 containing a preliminary joint proxy statement prospectus and other documents regarding the proposed Gemstar-TV Guide transaction. Investors and stockholders are urged to read the definitive joint proxy statement prospectus and such other
documents because they contain important information about the proposed transaction.
A definitive joint proxy statement will be sent to stockholders of
each of Macrovision and Gemstar-TV Guide seeking their approval of matters in connection with the transaction. Stockholders may obtain a free copy of the joint proxy statement prospectus when available as well as other documents filed by Macrovision
Solutions, Macrovision and Gemstar-TV Guide with the SEC at the SECs website at www.sec.gov.
Stockholders may also obtain a free copy of the joint
proxy statement prospectus in the filings with the SEC that will be incorporated by reference in the joint proxy statement prospectus directly from Macrovision by directing a request to Macrovision Investor Relations at 408-969-5475 and directly
from Gemstar-TV Guide by directing a request to Gemstar-TV Guide Investor Relations at 323-817-4600.
Each companys directors and executive officers
and other persons may be deemed under SEC rules to be a participant in the solicitation of proxies in connection with the proposed transaction. The information regarding Macrovisions directors and officers can be found on its proxy statement
filed with the SEC on March 20, 2007, and information regarding Gemstar-TV Guides directors and officers can be found in its Annual Report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC on February 14, 2008.
Additional information regarding the participants in the proxy solicitation and a description of their direct and indirect interests in the transaction by security
holders or otherwise will be contained in the joint proxy statement prospectus and other related material to be filed with the SEC when they become available.
As a final piece of housekeeping today, the reconciliation or replay of this conference call will be available on the Investor Relations page of our website as soon as practicable after this call. I would now like the turn the call over to
Fred.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Well, thank you, James. And thank you,
everyone, for joining us today for our Q4 2007 earnings call. In Q4, we achieved non-GAAP revenues of $78.7 million, non-GAAP net income of $27.7 million, non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.51 and cash flow from operations of $34 million.
Im pleased with our fourth quarter results as they demonstrate excellent operational execution amid a significant amount of acquisition and
divestiture activities. In the quarter, we both announced and closed the AMG and BD+ acquisitions, as well as on December 7 announced our agreement to acquire Gemstar-TV guide.
Further, I am pleased to continue advancing our transformation by having now signed agreements to divest our Software and Games businesses. These actions enhance our focus and improve our ability to execute on the
large digital media opportunity which lies ahead of us. I will comment more about each of these items later in this call, but at this time I would like to turn the call back over to James to review the Q4 financial results more in-depth. James?
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James
Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Thanks, Fred. We had a strong financial results for the fourth quarter including $78.7 million in
non-GAAP revenue, non-GAAP net income of $27.7 million, and non-GAAP diluted earnings per share of $0.51. Non-GAAP revenue for the year grew 12% to $277.8 million. 2007 revenue from continuing operations, which excludes Software and Games, grew 28%
to $155.7 million. This is below the range of revenue guidance we gave of $280 million to $285 million during our Q3 earnings call. As disclosed last week in our 8-K SEC filing and again in todays release Software accounted for $112.9 million
in revenue.
For the fourth quarter, Software accounted for $31.7 million in revenue. Both for the full year and fourth quarter revenue for Software were
well below plan resulting in a slight overall shortfall for the entire business. At a business unit level, full year performance for continuing operations was as follows. Embedded solutions revenue was $93.8 million representing 103% growth over the
prior year and representing 60% of total continuing operations revenue. Entertainment revenues were $50.2 million, representing a 23% decline from the prior year and representing 32% of total continuing operations revenue.
Distribution and commerce revenues were $11.6 million, representing a 16% increase over the prior year and representing 80% of total continuing operations revenue.
Revenues from discontinued operations Software and Games were $122.1 million, representing a 3% decline from the prior year.
Our non-GAAP cost of goods
sold and operating expenses from all operations in Q4 were $48.9 million, an increase of 2% from the $47.8 million in non-GAAP cost of goods sold in operating expenses from all operations in Q4 2006. The absolute increase in operating expense
primarily resulted from Mediabolic related expenses that were not present in the comparable quarter in 2006, offset by overall efforts throughout 2007 and in the fourth quarter to reduce expenses.
Non-GAAP operating income from all operations for the fourth quarter was $29.8 million or 38% of non-GAAP revenues, up 14% from the $26.3 million in non-GAAP operating
income in Q4 2006 representing a 35% of non-GAAP revenues in that period. For the year, non-GAAP operating margin was 30%, higher than the high end of both the 24% to 26% range provided at the beginning of the year and the 27% to 29% range we
estimated in our Q3 call.
Non-GAAP net income from all operations for the fourth quarter was $27.7 million, up 23% from the $22.6 million posted in the
fourth quarter of 2006. Our non-GAAP earnings per share from all operations for the fourth quarter were $0.51, up 19% from the $0.43 posted in fourth the quarter of 2006. For the year, non-GAAP earnings per share from all operations were $1.45,
higher than high end of the $1.25 to $1.35 range we provided at the beginning of the year and near the high end of the range we estimated in our Q3 call.
Ive compared and contrasted actual results against previous estimates that point out that in hindsight notwithstanding the multiple transactions we were engaged in throughout the year we were able to manage and operate the business to
overachieve the targets we set for ourselves at the beginning of the year. Im very pleased with the end results.
At a business unit level, we
measure profit based on segment operating income, which we define as business unit gross profit less operating expenses directly attributable to the business unit but excluding shared corporate services and overhead such as infrastructure, marketing
and administrative functions. These results are also presented in a non-GAAP format excluding one-time non-cash charges such as employee stock compensation expense and tangible asset amortization, asset impairment charges and restructuring charges.
In 2007 embedded solutions increased segment operating income by 82% to $77.4 million, which represented a margin of 83%. Entertainment segment operating
income decreased 8% to $33.2 million, which represents a margin of 66%. An improvement from a 56% margin in 2006.
Distribution and commerce continuing
operations segment operating income $6 million in segment operating losses. Distribution and commerce discontinued operations generated $14.5 million in segment operating losses and Software segment operating income increased 6% to $43.7 million.
Relative to the Software divestiture that we announced last week, I want to make a few comments. Beginning in mid-2007 we conducted a competitive bid
process to sell Software. Presentations were given to over a dozen firms and as you would expect, we narrowed the funnel of interested parties until we finally decided on selling to the firm of Thoma Cressey Bravo. The result was competitive
throughout and we are satisfied with the end result.
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If you look at the Software segment results provided in the press release today, youll see that our Software
business declined in revenue on a year-over-year basis and generated segment operating income of $43.7 million in 2007. If you recall our definition of segment operating income that is not to be confused with the profit or EBITDA that will be
leaving Macrovision when the divestiture closes. Remember that segment operating income does not include shared corporate services such as marketing, infrastructure and administrative costs.
You should expect that certain of those shared costs will be leaving with the divestiture of the Software group, which if allocated and built into the 2007 Software
segment operating income, would have resulted in approximately $25 million to $30 million in operating income for the Software segment. We believe that approximately 7 times trailing EBITDA is a fair price to expect for a business that experienced a
revenue decline in 2007.
As to the balance sheet, our cash and liquid investments balance at the end of December was $422 million, down $71 million
compared to $493 million at the end of September, primarily as a result of $127 million paid for the acquisitions of AMG and BD+ technology offset by $56 million in cash flow including $34 million cash from operations, ours highest quarter ever, $12
million cash released from restricted cash as a result of our exit from the Hawkeye business, and $10 million in proceeds from employee stock purchases.
I
would also add that in Q4 we paid over $3.5 million in Gemstar-TV Guide acquisition related costs such as banking, legal and accounting fees that had they not been included would have pushed our cash from operations amount to nearly $38 million for
the quarter. Our DSO for all operations for Q4 was 85 days which isnt unusual for a fourth quarter for us. Receivables aged greater than 90 days are at their lowest levels in two years so we are very comfortable with the quality of our aging.
As to estimates going forward consistent with the model we provided in our SEC filing on January 7, 2008, we estimate our 2008 revenue from
continuing operations will be within a range of $180 million to $190 million. This estimate of revenue from continuing operations excludes the Software and Games businesses for all of 2008 and excludes any impact from Gemstar-TV guide. We will
provide updated estimates subsequent to the completion of the Gemstar-TV Guide transaction.
Speaking of the transactions currently in progress, we signed
a definitive agreement to sell our Games business. At this time, the name of the buyer will not be disclosed due to requirements for customer and employee communication which has recently started and should be completed soon. The consideration for
the transaction was $4 million. We expect the transaction to close at the end of March and we expect the Software business transaction to close on or before April 1.
As for Gemstar-TV Guide we are on course to close in early Q2 as originally expected. We have cleared our HSR review and have filed our S-4. We anticipate comments on the S-4 back from the SEC by next week and expect
to file and mail our proxy statements in March for an anticipated stockholder vote in April.
We will concurrently be preparing for and marketing our debt
offering in March and April to provide us the means to fund the acquisition. Given our expectation that the Software sale will close and fund prior to the closing of the Gemstar transaction, we intend to lower the amount of debt financing to be
raised down to just over $600 million from the previous expectation of $800 million, still in a mix of a term loan and a bridge facility. This reduction will require no change to our committed financing agreements with JPMorgan and Merrill Lynch.
With that, I would now like to turn the call back over to Fred. Fred?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
So thank you, James. As James reviewed, we had a very good Q4 and full year. Regarding our ACP business, we previously disclosed we
signed our first bundle deal with an MPAA studio at the end of last year. For those not familiar the bundle deal incorporates both ACP and RipGuard technologies for the studios on an annual basis rather than a per-unit DVD royalty fee.
Further, after year end we signed an additional bundle deal with another MPAA studio. In this case, one that was not previously using ACP or RipGuard. We are pleased
with our progress in this area. As it relates to our embedded solutions business that is predominantly driven by ACP revenues today, we continue to grow that business at a significant rate, 103% year-over-year in Q4.
Through a combination of continuous improvement in our execution and more devices in the marketplace, we are able to expand the use of ACP. We have now experienced over
50% year-over-year growth on average for the last eight quarters for this revenue line which naturally causes the revenue basis to be significantly higher going into 2008. As a result, I do not believe this pace can continue even though we do still
expect continued solid double-digit growth in our embedded businesses.
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With respect to BD+, the security protection for Blu-ray, I am also pleased that high def DVD format war is now over
with the recent announcement from Toshiba that they will discontinue the HD DVD. This makes our previous decision to acquire BD+ even more significant, as it provides a higher level of protection over AACS that has already been hacked by the various
pirate communities. BD+ having been in the market since September still remains unhacked.
We already have a contract with one of the major studios to use
BD+ who is currently shipping BD+ protected titles and we are trialing with another major studio. Additionally, our discussions with other studios have increased in light of the end of the format war.
With respect to our connected platform we announced in January we signed a contract with Samsung to bring together our respective technologies to create next generation
set-top boxes with the capability of downloading, finding and managing digital content seamlessly throughout the home. When combined with our win at Scientific Atlanta we have agreements with two of the top three worldwide cable TV set-top box
vendors and we are in evaluation phases with others.
We have also made significant inroads into global manufacturers of numerous CE devices, as the world
of connected devices seems to be part of every CE manufacturers plans. As you are aware, our connected platform is a reference implementation of the DLNA, the Digital Living Network Alliance and the UPNP, the Universal Plug and Play
Interoperability Standards.
Over the course of the last quarter, we have played an increasingly important role in the DLNA standards body, now chairing a
committee and committing additional resources and assisting in the development and direction of the standards put out by the DLNA.
As discussed in
previous calls, while a connected platform enables users to access their rich media regardless of where it resides, content metadata informs consumers of the descriptive information behind the content. On this front we are pleased with our
acquisition of All Media Guide, AMG, a leader in this space.
We have now integrated AMG into our distribution and commerce business unit and are pleased
with early results including a major win in the mobile market. So all in all, the continuing operations business units performed very well in Q4. We are happy to have solidified our mature cash flow streams and are pleased with our progress in the
businesses we acquired in 2007 which formed the basis of our growth platform in digital media.
I would like to turn your attention to the Gemstar-TV Guide
acquisition. First, a little background. As I mentioned in the conference call early December when we announced the agreement to acquire Gemstar-TV Guide this has been something we have been working on for some time. It emanated from our core
strategy that we first started developing and have been refining since the end of 2005.
As the world moves from analog to digital, one of the major
activities we have been working on is a transformation from a Company predominantly focused on protecting the analog hold to a Company that is more relevant to the opportunities in the marketplace. Notwithstanding the declining price points for ACP
paid by the studios, we have sharpened our execution processes and found more devices on which ACP can be deployed. And as a result, we have achieved significant growth for ACP over the last few years.
This doesnt change the fact that ACP will become less relevant as the world moves to digital so we are transitioning to HD protection with BD+ to create new
revenue streams and provide more important and effective protection technologies to the studios. As defined in our core strategy of protection, enablement, and commerce, the second key to our transformation was creating solutions to enable content
to move into the next generation of devices. This change has been developing slowly over the last 10 years and recently increased dramatically as more and more content producers have reached beyond their subscription channels to reach directly to
consumers through a myriad of websites.
Clearly this phenomenon of having significantly increasing amounts of what we call converged media and joined
through connected devices will fundamentally change digital entertainment as we know it. This is not something that has just emerged as an opportunity for us. Almost two years ago, we saw this opportunity develop and so in early 2007 we acquired
Mediabolic, a critically important component of bringing this capability to the market.
Recognizing that the availability of Internet downloaded or
streamed content will increase across all geographic markets and all distribution channels underscores the shift from a physical world to an electronic world. Rather than compete with CE manufacturers by creating yet another home entertainment CE
device, we wanted to empower our existing customers with an open interoperable solution that would allow them to compete with proprietary solutions now predominant in the market.
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We believe that to maximize simplicity for the end consumers and to provide value to CE manufacturers our connected
platform solution needed to be a software development kit, SDK, source code that we provide to our customers for them to easily embed within their own products and take advantage of DLNA and the UPNP interoperability standards the industry is
developing. Our ability to generate per-unit royalties for every device that embeds our technology can create a significant revenue stream at high margins.
Enabling download services, such as Cinema Now, as announced last month and improving the discovery of content not only within the home but also from the Internet all adds substantially to the value of our offering to our customers. We
recognize that one most important ingredients in this new world is the discovery of content from multiple sources, from what is stored in computers, external storage devices in the home, as well as from literally any website or subscription offering
available to the consumer.
In that regard the value of metadata, information that makes it easier to find content and make it more meaningful to
understand, is a significant value proposition to end consumers enriching their search and discovery of content. So adding AMG metadata for movies, for music and games to our business and adding it to our solutions creates even more value to those
companies that will need to create this capability whether as a CE device manufacturer, a portal, a commerce site, or an operator developing an interactive programming guide.
As we looked at our strategy and what we believed would be critically important components to achieve our vision, we recognized that TV is an important, if you will, a critically important component to this
capability. So while we had many of the assets required an important asset we were missing is exactly what Gemstar-TV Guide had been developing within its guidance technology business. The technology platform for mobile and other environments,
different approaches to an interactive programming guide relevant to different markets and geographies. The My TV Guide platform and TV metadata to create the full capability for digital content.
Further, at its core, Gemstar-TV Guide has a significant patent portfolio related to the static and interactive programming guides that can drive significant growth at
very high margins. This is a business they have executed well and a business model with which we have a great deal of familiarity because of its similarity to our own licensing businesses.
One of the reactions I have been most pleased with comes from our customers. Time after time, at CES and in subsequent conversations our customers absolutely get what we
are doing and the capabilities we are putting together. In many cases, significant customer opportunities are emerging as they tell us we are more important to their business strategy and assisting them in adding capability to their offerings to the
marketplace. This gives me great comfort we are executing our strategy very well.
The combination of Macrovision and Gemstar-TV Guide brings together
enormously compelling capability to fulfill the changes developing in home entertainment, aggregate the collection of assets that are unique to the industry, and are all underscored by a very robust patent licensing business. In fact, Im not
sure there is a better combination of assets of these two companies that could have materialized.
As we have spoken with both Macrovision and Gemstar
major stockholders, many of you have characterized what we are doing as having a compelling vision and an enormous opportunity. Equally, it has also been characterized as having a reasonable risk of execution. I take those comments to heart and I
agree theres always a risk of execution.
I hope you agree that what we have operationally and financially accomplished in Q4 while at the same time
acquiring and integrating the BD+ and AMG businesses and working on a sizable acquisition of Gemstar-TV Guide as well as most recently executing on a divestiture of Software and Games provides some confidence of the ability of our management team to
execute multiple actions simultaneously and successfully.
Finally, let me comment on the integration planning activities relating to Gemstar-TV Guide that
weve been working through since last December. We are making great progress on our overall integration planning activities and nearing completion of the discovery phase. We are conceptualizing organization structure and evaluating management
from both organizations to take on significant management positions in the combined Company.
Overall we are pleased in that we are seeing more value than
we originally expected from our earlier due diligence activities prior to execution of the purchase agreement. The progress that Gemstar-TV Guide has made in many of their technology areas complements the connected platform and can be integrated
faster than we previously expected.
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Further, as we evaluated the various components of the business, we maintain comfort in achieving our stated goals of
greater than $50 million in cost synergies in the combination of the two businesses. Lastly, as we have reviewed the various business segments of Gemstar-TV Guide we have decided to explore strategic alternatives for TV Guide Magazine, the Horse
Racing Channel, and their network.
We have received some interest already for these properties and will be evaluating interest in these businesses on a
go-forward basis. I trust you can see our team has been quite busy. Im very proud of just how much we have been able to accomplish relating to operational execution of the different business units, as well as transforming ourselves through
significant M&A and integration and divestiture activities.
I ask for all of your continued confidence as we position ourselves to be an important
part of what we believe is perhaps the biggest digital media opportunity in recent history. In summary, the proposed combination of Macrovision and Gemstar-TV Guide will create first, one of the largest and most profitable digital media IP licensing
and technology solutions providers in the world.
Second, a unique opportunity for an independent provider to become a leading enabler of digital home
entertainment solutions with a better platform and capability than anyone else in the market today. Third, a Company that enriches the end consumer experience through the value of the metadata developed across movies, music, games, and TV.
Fourth, a combined customer footprint that extends across the entire ecosystem of content producers, distribution channels, and device manufacturers. And
finally, a leader in patent licensing on a worldwide basis that produces very high margins that can fuel investment in our solution areas, a combination that yields meaningful synergies and a compelling financial model.
I would like to turn the call back over to the operator so we can respond to any of the questions that you may have. Operator?
QUESTION AND ANSWER
Operator
Thank you, sir. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. (OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) Our first question comes from Mike Olson. Sir, please state your company name
followed by your question.
Mike Olson -
Piper Jaffray - Analyst
Hey,
its Mike Olson from Piper Jaffray. Just wondering what were you anticipating for the Games business in `08, and also can you just remind us where was the Games revenue being classified, that was in the distribution and commerce segment? Is
that right?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Thats right. Hey, Mike. It was definitely going to
be in distribution and commerce, probably would have been anywhere from $10 million to $15 million for 2008.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
And what we announced in Q3, I think it was, there was a revenue decline, principally associated with a loss of a major customer in the
Games business.
Mike Olson -
Piper Jaffray - Analyst
Yes, okay.
Okay. And then secondly on the bundle deals, are the studios that are using ACP and RipGuard, are they doing it on a 100% basis or are they using it selectively, and I guess probably more important question is does it even matter how much or little
they use it now that you have them signed to bundle deals?
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Fred
Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Right, your last comment is the most pertinent, which is by not getting paid any more
on a per-DVD charge they actually have the value to deploy it across all of their different channels and across 100% of the business. It doesnt cost them anymore. We priced it on a single point going forward to take away any of the vagaries
that might happen in DVD volumes going forward and to make it easier for them to deploy, so it really doesnt matter, Mike.
Mike Olson -
Piper Jaffray - Analyst
That makes perfect sense. Any sense, though, as far what their intentions are as far as using it maybe from looking at it as a kind of what they perceive
value to be
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
My belief is that the ones we have spoken to that have signed the bundle deals they will deploy it across all the environments they possibly can. One of the things we are proud of is that we have not had any playability issues unlike others
in the industry and so there is less concern over potential consumer problems associated with the deployment of the technology so its a relatively safe bet for them to deploy it.
Mike Olson -
Piper Jaffray - Analyst
Yes, understood. Thank you very much.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Welcome.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Sasa Zorovic. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Sasa Zorovic -
Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Yes, this is Sasa Zorovic here from Goldman. Regarding Games furthermore, could
you tell us about $10 million to $15 million in revenue where it would come from? This business has not been profitable. What kind of a cost associated against that should we think about?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
When I talked about distribution losses from discontinued operations that is the
Games business. It lost over $14 million in 2007, growing slightly in 2008 to the $10 million to $15 million in revenue would have slimmed the losses, but still generally would have probably generated on a go forward basis anywhere from $10 million
to $15 million of losses in 2008.
Sasa Zorovic -
Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Can you
provide us any sort of detail as to how much you have sold that to or anything of that nature?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
We announced $4 million. James mentioned that.
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James
Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
We said wouldnt give you the name of who bought it, but we said the amount was $4 million.
Sasa Zorovic -
Goldman Sachs - Analyst
Great, thank you.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Yes.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Sterling Auty. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
JPMorgan. How you doing, guys?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Hey, Sterling.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
I dont know how you keep all these moving parts straight. I need a menu.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
(laughter) We will get you one.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
All right. A couple of things even though it closed very late, can you talk
about was there any contribution of revenue from AMG in the quarter?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Very little. Like sub $500,000.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay. On BD+ in terms of the first contract that you have here. Can you talk as to what is the type of contractor economic arrangement, is it typical to
the old ACP type of contracts or how how are you working with your customers on this product line?
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Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Its a good question, Sterling. Allow me to go into it a little bit. First of
all, BD+ as you know is software, its renewable, so as it goes into the devices, we have the opportunity to establish the license keys and then if for whatever reason ultimately it does get hacked, we have the ability to renew those keys,
number one.
Number two, its an active protection from the standpoint that if BD+ is not on a device the DVD should not play. Its unlike copy
protection, right, its more of an affirmative as opposed to a negative checkpoint.
Additionally, with the studios, in order to protect the assets,
the secrets of the assets, we are actually right now doing all of the authoring and burning in BD+ into the DVDs as part of the authoring process so we can keep that information highly confidential within our own environment. And then lastly
theres actually three different levels Im not going to go through it all now but there are three different levels of the protection that we can deploy depending upon which the studio would like to take and they have
different price points.
The BD+ price points are per disk and they go back to I made this statement before they go back to what ACP price
points were like probably five or more years ago. And so we did not intentionally include any of the BD+ types of activities in as part of the bundle deals because we think it has significant front paradigms in its own right. Did I make that a
little bit clearer I hope?
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
No, I think
thats great. How you will disclose the revenue segments, not thinking about Gemstar, just thinking about what is in continuing operations here from Macrovision, what will be included in entertainment, if thats still going to be the right
bucket on a go-forward basis?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
So look, Sterling, we are obviously in a point of transition. We have confidence that the Gemstar-TV Guide deal will close as part of the integration planning we are doing with Gemstar-TV Guide where rethinking how we will run that
business, how we will organize the management team, how we will go to market, and theres a very, very high likelihood the structure that we have today will not be the structure that we come out with in a quarter or so.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay, and two last questions. First one is the lingering costs, whenever you
dispose of an asset, you talked about the shared costs, theres usually some lingering costs I think that you described that you probably need to get rid of.
Is there any sense is that going to be a two quarter phenomenon? How long do you think before you clean up that aspect of it, especially with everything else that is going?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
So the shared services cost youre talking specifically
about software?
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Thats
correct.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Yes, so they are part of the deal. TCB wanted
a fully functioning staff and Company so they are actually taking bodies of our G&A and marketing people to service the business.
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Sterling
Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
Those are costs that will go away as soon as the deal closes.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay. And last question, Fred, in terms of looking at the entertainment revenue
here in the fourth quarter, how much of that result was tough comps versus a year ago in terms of the DVD title pipeline, how much of it was just the flux of the bundle deals done coming into the new year and just maybe, not taking the eye
off the ball, but just so many moving parts with everything thats going on with all the transactions?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
If I could add one more Sterling, its a combination of multiple factors as you suggest. So number one, its DVD volume
differences between the different years. Its the fact that some of the bundle deals, if you remember, the Q4 has always been a significant DVD volume increase going into the holiday season, which made our Q4 number significantly higher with
bundle deals that normalizes the revenues for ACP to the studios over the course of the year.
That was a contributing factor, and then just price point
declines as weve naturally gone through the changes with each studio over a period of time so all of that is part of it. And then to be completely transparent, we also announced in, I think, Q 2 that one of the major studios had dropped ACP
over the course of the year. We feel good that we signed a bundle deal with a studio that had not previously been using ACP or RipGuard, but that was signed this year so we got no Q4 revenue uptick from those.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Thank you.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Youre welcome.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Thanks.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Richard Davis. Please state your company name and followed by your question.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Needham and Company.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Hi, Rich.
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Richard
Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
How are you doing, men? I know your kind of in the asset sale mode, so this is maybe
tough to ask.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
What do you want to buy?
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
(laughter) Thats right. Im in there. Im in.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
We have a bicycle left.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Exactly. Buy some Aeron chairs. The question I had was just more in
terms of after you get those things done, you will want to apply some development effort to knit some of your functions together and things like that, and as well as potentially, is there any place you feel you will either want to apply that
development talent to add some additional features and functionalities or, heaven forbid, actually make some acquisitions as well? So just thinking along those lines would be helpful as we get through the storm of activity here.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Sure. So its a good question, Richard. This kind of
underscores a little bit of the comment that I made that as weve gone through the due diligence since December and gotten more into understanding the different facets of whats going on within Gemstar-TV Guide and the GTS part of the
business and looking at where they have invested in myTVguide.com, the resultant cross platform services that they have created there, what they have done in their new guide which is due to come out later this year which is called V10, a new CE
guide, the work that is going on in active and the work that is going in support of guideworks and as well some of the different guides that are around different geographies because of uniquenesses of those markets, the number one thing we found is
actually there is more synergy and it will be easier to integrate the guides as part of our connected platform to begin with. So that was a very good result.
What we also believe is that as we focus attention specifically on the development of our technology, that we should be able to get some efficiencies in working on a singular product management approach across all of these different guides
and across all of our product areas so we can be more targeted in our investments.
The third thing we found is actually in the dot-com environment, the
online environment. There are a number of capabilities that they have built into the dot-com which as we look to the future, if you go back to this notion of discovery of content from multiple sources, whether its subscription services or
whether its content that resides in storage devices in the home, or its content that resides over the Internet, the ability to aggregate all of those different environments, the guide, the things we do in the connective platform for
discovery and some of the capability that exists within the online environment of TV Guide, actually creates some very strong value in the next generation of discovery that when we add on the metadata provides a very compelling and rich user
experience.
I think the question you are asking is one of value which Im trying to explain. The other one is one of, do we have enough money to
invest in these different areas. My comment there is, I think it will take less than what we thought and I think there is enough money even with the $50 million of synergies that we talk about to be able to still drive development within our
products.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Do you currently have a search capability to
drive that kind of data, that content discovery yet, or is that something youre either working on or would partner for that?
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Fred
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Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
The connected platform already has the discovery search capability for movies, for
music, for photo albums, any converged content that might be interesting in terms of managing through the connected platform. That is already part of our connected platform that is embedded in there. These other things, a subscription relationship
through the Guide and the ability to search the Internet are things that will come to us through Gemstar-TV Guide.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. -
Analyst
Got it, got it. Well, that was my kind of down in the weeds question. Im all set. Thanks.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Ralph Schackart. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Ralph Schackart -
William Blair & Co. - Analyst
William Blair.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Hey, Ralph.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Hey, Ralph.
Ralph Schackart -
William Blair & Co. - Analyst
Hey, guys. First one, easy one, James. What is in the
distribution and commerce going forward? Is that (inaudible)
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
It is.
Yes, thats the distribution and commerce was a combination of [eMeta] and the Trimedia. The Trimedia piece or Games is going away. AMG comes into that in 2008 and that deal closed late December so it had virtually no impact in 2007 other than
the cash paid for it. Going forward in 2008 it will be a combination of the acquisitions of AMG and eMeta.
Ralph Schackart -
William Blair & Co. -
Analyst
And eMeta is that one assets you identified to sell or is that something at least today that youre looking to still run?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Right now we still have it.
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James
Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Still have it.
Ralph Schackart -
William Blair & Co. -
Analyst
Okay.
And a broader question, Fred,
in the prepared remarks, you talked about having some really good feedback from the industry regarding the acquisition, just curious, is this from the CE companies, operators, have you done any focus groups with consumers, and maybe you could give
us a little bit of understanding where the excitement is surrounding, is it running Gemstar better, is it layering on Mediabolic, is it a combination of sort of everything youre trying to put together, maybe a little more color would be
helpful? Thanks.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Sure. Its a few sources, so let me suggest that I think from a cable and operator environment this is not one that we at Macrovision have spent a tremendous amount of time on or have a tremendous amount of customer relationships,
except through the deployment of ACP.
Most of those relationships are actually coming from Gemstar. From what Ive heard from conversations with the
Gemstar team, I think they look at it as a value in terms of, you know, some of the solutions we could provide.
The preponderant amount of feedback that
were getting are from CE device manufacturers including the set-top box manufacturers. I will tell you that one of the major one of the top three actually, if you will, two of the top three set-top box manufacturers have come to
us after we announced Gemstar and they saw what we did with AMG and what weve built on with our connected platform and expressed an interest that we are much more important to them, partially financially, because they are paying collectively
to us a lot more per device than they were paying either to Macrovision or Gemstar.
But more importantly in terms of all the value we could bring to them
and some of them are interested in establishing relationships, strategic partnerships to work cooperatively to further develop their marketplace for OCAP on the basis of the technology that we have built. So I would say the CE, but CE including
set-top boxes is a very, very strong component.
To the studios, look they recognize some of the changes that are going on. It is a little bit more
premature for them to see a significant amount of change because we are more into the deployment through devices and so the biggest part is they recognize our transformation, they recognize what we have done with BD+ which, by the way, was a huge,
huge thing in terms of creating value for the studios that we have not abandoned them, we continue to invest. They have confidence in how weve managed the ecosystem for ACP and so thats been good.
But a little bit less so from the strategic platform, and then the other thing is, look, we look at our business differently than Gemstar-TV Guide.
I think they have done a fabulous job, I think Rich and his team have done an excellent job at driving their business and dealing with the transition they have had
within their business. But as I mentioned in terms of our view on the different media properties, we are a technology Company and we are looking at driving the synergy of the technology as our core value proposition, and so that creates a little bit
different view as to how we manage the business both economically and strategically going forward. So I think theres a view to that as well.
Ralph Schackart -
William Blair & Co. -
Analyst
Great. Thank you, Fred.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
Yes.
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Operator
Thank you, and our next question comes from Brian Thackery. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Brian Thackery -
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
Hi, Deutsche Bank. Hey, guys.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Hey, Brian.
Brian Thackery -
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
First question, it looks like the cycle for BD+ deal with the studios is much
shorter than the ACP bundle deals. How quickly can you sign up the rest of the studios to these BD+ deals, and the second part of the question is if you look at 12 to 18 months out on the Blu-ray cycle is a little bit larger, can BD+ reignite growth
in the entertainment business for you?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Absolutely. So let me comment. Can BD+ reinitiate growth? The answer to that is yes. Part of it is because it is the only format now.
Part of it
is because it has been recognized as to being tremendously effective the notion that this technology came out and deployed in September and is still not hacked is something that is tremendously proud for our team, and I give tremendous credit
to Carter Laren and all of the BD+ team that have been working on it with CRI before and with us recently to create that standard.
Thats literally
unheard of in the industry. So it can create growth. The thing Im not going to get myself into commenting on is I put my head in the noose when I talked about the bundled deals last year and recognize how long it takes.
What I will suggest is that we will report on it retrospectively as opposed to prospectively. Ill just state that we have one in contract. We are in trial with one
and we are talking to all the rest.
Brian Thackery -
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
Can
you talk about the margin differences in that business, given that you handle some of the production yourself and how quickly you can scale that, would costs go into that?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
The margins for the authoring is actually
done at a its a service business so its not like a we will have a per unit royalty margin associated with it, but we are not doing it at a loss, let me put it that way. Thats a very, very low amount of the revenues.
As a matter of fact, from your financial models, I would suggest you not include that as part of the revenue streams because it will be low. The biggest part of the growth is going to be in the per-unit DVDs where
I will just leave it to you in terms of what we said is it goes back to what the price points were for ACP probably five to eight years ago and the studios have a choice
to either accept a basic and intermediate or an advanced level of protection that they want, that they can deploy depending upon how they look at the movie, if its a blockbuster or not or how they look at protection overall.
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James
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Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Yes, Brian, Id just add to that and remind you that we get about 66% margin on a segment
basis for entertainment in the studio business, if you will, which is up over 56% in 2006 because we got out of the Hawkeye business. I would expect that the kind of margins coming in from BD+ over time would fit very nicely into that type of margin
structure.
Brian Thackery -
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
James, did you mention in terms of head count how many
will be exiting with Software and the Games business?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
I
didnt, but its a significant amount.
Brian Thackery -
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
Okay.
And finally, Fred, you mentioned in your commentary that as you go through the integration process you can get through it more quickly than you previously had thought. As this deal closes, how can you just quantify that a little more in terms
of when you think we will be looking at a streamlined Macrovision Solutions?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
Thats a good point. Let me give you a little clarity to what I mean by integration. For the comments I made on the different media
properties, we will run the media properties separately, the TV Guide Magazine, the Horse Racing Channel, and the network. We are not going to focus on integrating those into Macrovision.
We are actually, if you think about it, mostly going to move those to operate in somewhat of a stand alone environment because of our interest in looking at them from a
strategic perspective. So the ones that become tightly integrated is the Gemstar-GTS business along with the Macrovision business, the technology components.
We have a draft organizational chart that we have already developed. Ive got an idea of the different management that would go in the key positions. I will tell you that they are members of both the Macrovision team as well as Gemstar
team. We are starting to work on a cooperative basis between our team as well as the Gemstar team. The evolution of that organizational chart and taking it down to the next level, so I am hoping and we are targeting that post deal close day one we
start operating on a combined Company future basis as we look at running the business going forward.
Brian Thackery -
Deutsche Bank - Analyst
Okay, guys, thanks a lot.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
Yes, thank you.
Operator
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Richard
Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Yes, D.A. Davidson. Hey, James, I wonder if you can you break down the growth in the
embedded business maybe from a year-over-year perspective, how much of that came from one particular significant new set-top box customer you added during the year, and then maybe was there a significant amount of catch-up payments?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Yes, we talked a quarter ago about the significant device manufacturer, but as a
reminder for the business we run in embedded solutions, we actually on any quarter basis probably have anywhere from two to five multimillion dollar transactions that happen from a combination of catch-ups as well as royalties from an ongoing basis.
So I would say there was nothing particularly unusual in 2007. We just had a lot more of those large transactions to come in.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. -
Analyst
Okay. Then can you remind us of the expectations for revenues embedded in your guidance, if you combine the newly acquired
companies, AMG, BD+ and Mediabolic?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
We have
not broken that out, just given a one lump sum for the entire Company.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. -
Analyst
Okay. And then given reasonable projections, would you say a similar decline in entertainment for 2008 would be a reasonable
expectation? How would you characterize that?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
I
actually would not assume that because we didnt get we just purchased BD+ at the end of 2007. We do expect some revenues from that with a bigger ramp as we get into 2009, but certainly we expect revenues out of the BD+ deal and the
protection technology in 2008 that will start to, that will stem some of the decline naturally coming from the ACP side for the content producers.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. -
Analyst
Okay, I guess I was excluding BD+ in that.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
If you exclude BD+ it still shouldnt be quite as big because as Fred mentioned in his prepared remarks we added a customer that had not been paying
us anything in past years.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Okay.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
So it
will likely decline somewhat, again, but hopefully not as much as the 20% to 25%.
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Richard
Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Okay. Thank you. And are you guys going to break out on a quarterly basis the results for 2007
from continuing operations?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
As we go
forward, if the business doesnt change, we would certainly continue to report as it is today, but as Fred mentioned a quarter out, really when you get beyond the first quarter we will have a different construct to how we report the business
once Gemstar comes into the fold.
Richard Davis -
Needham & Co. - Analyst
Okay, fair enough. Thanks, guys.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Yes.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Andy Hargreaves. Please state your company name followed by your question.
Andy Hargreaves -
Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
Pacific Crest.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Hey, Andy.
Andy Hargreaves -
Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
Hey, how are you? Just a really quick one. Is the financing 100%
secure? Is there any way for the lenders to back out at this point?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Its very committed.
Andy Hargreaves -
Pacific Crest Securities -
Analyst
Okay. And then can you give us any, any sense of how youre progressing with Mediabolic versus where you thought you would,
call it a year ago or the connected platform, I should say? Have things progressed as expected, better, worse?
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Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
I think they progressed as or better than expected. So if you remember when we bought
Mediabolic it was actually, we closed January 1 or January 2, I think, of 2007, and it was early in terms of the market adoption and how we saw the world of connected devices developing.
And so being able to sign Scientific Atlanta, one of the most significant set-top box manufacturers to incorporate our middleware as part of their OCAP environment, and
then follow that up with Samsung later in the year is significant.
As the marketplace has dramatically moved all of the CE device manufacturers, as I said
in my comments, are looking at incorporating connected devices. Its increased the amount of interactions and discussion that we have had with the industry broadly.
You got to remember that we are in early product development cycles, though, so while we have a tremendous amount of activity going on this doesnt turn into next quarter revenues. So on that basis Im very
pleased that one of the things we were betting on, which is how fast does this market develop and are we too early in the market, I am comfortable we are right at the knee in terms of how the CE manufacturers will bring these products and
technologies to market. So I feel very, very good about that.
Andy Hargreaves -
Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
And then just one more on the debt question am I right in thinking that ending the quarter with a little over $400 million, getting a couple hundred million from the Software business and Gemstar has roughly $600 million, I think, is
that all right, so you guys got about 1.2 to use and the debt would just be whatever excess above that youd need?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Thats right.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
Well, plus working capital.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
We need to have a couple hundred million for working cash so it all boils down to about $600 million.
Andy Hargreaves -
Pacific Crest Securities - Analyst
Okay, thanks.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from April Horace. Please state your company name followed by your question.
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
Yes, Janco Partners.
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Fred
Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Hey, April, how are you?
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
Good. Congratulations on all the numerous transactions.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Thank you. We will give you a menu, too.
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
(laughter) Thanks. Gemstar, because Im more familiar with Gemstar, they
spent a tremendous amount of money and integration with respect to sharing content and capitalizing on interviews with the the magazine and transferring that to the channel and then to the EPG.
If you want to sell off those divisions how Im worried those divisions will get devalued because that sharing of content can no longer be leveraged?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Thats a great question. So if you will
allow me, can I go into a little bit of discussion on the data part?
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
Sure.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
First thing to know about data is that the data is actually different in each of the geographies. I was in Luxembourg last week. They
have 30 people in Luxembourg that are acquiring and getting data from multiple sources, providing editorial content, et cetera., for data that is incorporated across all of the European cable/satellite environments. They operate over five languages,
so that one is somewhat separate.
In Asia, I will be going there next week, that week after next, and in Asia we actually have a joint venture with
[Densu] that does a lot of the combined data aggregation, et cetera.
You got to realize that the media property that were talking about, the TV
Guide Magazine, the Horse Racing Channel, and certainly the network and first and the third are U.S.-only properties, right? So when we talk about licensing the data or providing the data to the either the magazine or to the scroll, or candidly to
CE device manufacturers, et cetera, the strategic positions of each of those different entities, we are assuming will come with a license requirement to continue to provide the data to them in order to support their ongoing relationships and
commitments to their customers. That is just a data licensing component. So that is not a problem at for us at all. Its part of the discussion in the deal.
Interestingly, the other part of what you might be looking at is the separation of the businesses is that each of the businesses while is there is common content, so they have something called tent pole events that may operate across both
the magazine and the network, by and large, the editorial aspects and the media aspects actually operate differently between the magazine, the online environment, and the network. So its actually our first blush is that the separation of the
businesses is not going to be that difficult at all.
There is a common ad sales group, although there are separate ad sales people devoted to each of the
networks, thats one of the areas that will require some level of work and review and then the other is we recognize in Tulsa they have tremendous capability to actually upload the data into the different environments and the different
operators, and that one will require some work and we are evaluating that as well.
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But the underscored, or I should say the most important aspect of your question is that we dont think that the
separation of the different assets will be as problematic as perhaps we first thought. And, in fact, at least in a couple of cases, outside, unsolicited interest that weve gotten have been for more than one of the properties anyway. So we will
see how it develops.
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
Okay.
And then one question on the Mediabolic licensing to Scientific Atlanta. I know that they are licensing some of your technology today and you talked about there was a tremendous amount of interest on the combined basis.
Is there any way to try and gauge what that combined revenue opportunity would look like if we know it? We think we know what you will get for Mediabolic. We know what
Gemstar is getting from Scientific Atlanta and then on a combined basis, adding in AMG, how do we gauge that revenue opportunity?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
Good question. So first of all let me describe that theres actually two or three different relationships or products, if you will,
we could sell to the CE industry or to cable/satellite, set-top box manufacturers, in terms of a server or just the basics of the connected platform.
What
I said is that the average royalty that we could aspire to is somewhere between $1 and $5. And I think that is still the window that we would look for. Obviously, the more value we would add to the connected platform in terms of capability that we
provide or data that we may provide would get us closer to the $5 than the $1, but I think we are still within that $1 to $5 window.
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
And then last question you said you were going to Asia. I know that Gemstar had more success over in Asia, specifically Japan, about embedding
their EPG into television sets. Do you have any gauge as to how they would view Mediabolic and the AMG content?
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President,
CEO
So we have already had a number since a lot of the manufacturing operations for devices are coming out of Asia, we just,
Macrovision by ourselves with the connected platform area has had a significant amount of conversation with companies like Sony, and Samsung, and LG and others all who we have had previous relationships relating to ACP and now all of whom we are
having discussions relating to the connected platform.
The Samsung announcement we made recently is obviously emanated out of Asia. So by now having
increased head count and capability specifically within Tokyo and in Seoul will be key components. The other thing that were pleased with is [Irwin Lau] who runs Gemstars Hong Kong development center for has put together a very strong
team developing a lot of the interactive programming guide for the CE industry in Hong Kong as a low cost area, and thats one of the things we think we can take advantage of as well.
April Horace -
Janco Partners - Analyst
Okay, great, and congratulations.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Thank you, April.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question is a follow-up question from Sterling Auty. Go ahead, please.
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Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
A double, Sterling.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Thats right, thats right. James, as I am piecing this together down
through the press release, is there a way, can you give a relative idea of what portion of the $14.3 million of unallocated cost is actually stock-based compensation for the continuing operation?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Youre looking at the business unit segment information?
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Exactly. Exactly. Go ahead.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
That sheet youre looking at from the press release doesnt have any
stock-based compensation in it.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay.
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Just strip that out. Thats just on a non-GAAP
expense basis.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Okay. So
if we were to add back the $1.3 million in restructuring asset impairment charges to the 17409 to 18.7 on the $45 million, thats basically the non-GAAP operating margin for continuing operations?
James Budge -
Macrovision Corp. - CFO
Thats right.
Sterling Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
All right, great. Thats what I needed.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
You doing your model in real time?
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Sterling
Auty -
JPMorgan - Analyst
Exactly. Somebody has to. (laughter) All right, thanks, guys.
Operator
(OPERATOR INSTRUCTIONS) And we have no further questions. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for any
closing statements.
Fred Amoroso -
Macrovision Corp. - President, CEO
Again, I want to thank everyone for joining us. I think it is a compelling vision. I certainly think theres risk as we acknowledge, but I hope that we have been able to show that as we have put together the businesses we have been
able to execute across a myriad of activities to continue to streamline our business.
The other thing thats important to try and convey is that this
is not something I hope and hope that you appreciate this was not a bunch of knee-jerk acquisitions that were done at the end of the year. Obviously, we have been working on many of these things as part of our core strategy that goes back to
the end of 2005.
Its just that we were fortunate enough to see a lot of these things come to fruition all at one point in time. Kind of stressed the
management team, but I guess the underscore is my appreciation to all of the Macrovision management for a tremendous amount of effort, intensity, personal sacrifices over the last three or four or five months, and more importantly, for the success
they have driven to the business and ultimately for us to be able to accomplish our objectives.
So I thank you for your confidence in the Company. I ask
for your continued confidence and I look forward to moving on with Gemstar acquisition and achievement of our strategic vision. Thank you all.
Operator
Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the Macrovision quarter four 2007 earnings release conference call. You may now disconnect. Thank you for using ACT Conferencing.
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